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Geoengineering: should we pump sulfur into the stratosphere?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:43 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008 +1
Professor Paul Crutzen, winner of the 1995 Nobel Prize for his work on the Antarctic ozone hole, has proposed an emergency geoengineering solution to cool off the planet: dump huge quantities of sulfur particles into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight. His paper, "Albedo Enhancement by Stratospheric Sulfur Injections: A Contribution to Resolve a Policy Dilemma?" was published in the August 2006 issue of the journal Climatic Change. A recent editorial in the New York Times by Ken Caldeira called for more research into geoengineering schemes like this to cool the planet, proposing that 1% of the $3 billion federal Climate Change Technology Program should be spent thusly.

Dr. Crutzen proposes that balloons or artillery guns could propel burning sulfur into the stratosphere, where chemical reactions would convert the sulfur to highly reflective sulfate aerosol particles. This is the same process that occurs when a major volcanic eruption throws sulfur high into the atmosphere, cooling the planet. The 1992 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines cooled the Earth by about 0.5° C the following year. Crutzen estimates that a lesser amount of sulfur would be required to compensate for a doubling of carbon dioxide, and that the cost of lofting the required sulfur into the stratosphere would be about $132 billion. These costs would be per year, since the sulfur only stays in the stratosphere about a year.

Could it work? Sure it could. Volcanos periodically pump huge quantities of sulfur into the stratosphere, cooling the planet. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood shows a nice plot in his blog this week showing how three major volcanic eruptions in the past 50 years have cooled off the planet. Are there problems with the scheme? Yes, many:

1) The climate might undergo substantial and disruptive changes. Evaporation from the oceans would lessen, changing precipitation patterns. The sulfate aerosols would warm the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere, changing the stability of the atmosphere. This would affect thunderstorm activity and large-scale weather patterns. Increased warming of Europe and Asia in winter has been noted after volcanic eruptions, for example. A 2005 study tied an increase in greenhouse gases and sulfur particles to drought in the Sahel region of Africa. Increasing greenhouse gases and sulfur particles even further might intensify drought conditions there.

2) The small sulfur particles might settle into the upper troposphere, where they might act as condensation nuclei for the formation of cirrus clouds. An increase in these high cirrus clouds may warm the planet, since they keep heat from escaping to space.

3)Stratospheric sulfur causes destruction of the protective ozone layer. The 1982 eruption of the El Chichon volcano reduced ozone by 16% at 20 km altitude at mid-latitudes. Decreased ozone would result in an increase in ultraviolet light at the surface, potentially increasing skin cancer rates.

4) Acid rain would increase.

5) The scheme would do nothing to reduce CO2, and the oceans would continue to acidify. The rate of acidification of the Earth's oceans is causing concern that regional collapses of the food chain may occur later this century.

6) A sudden collapse of the effort to keep firing sulfur into the stratosphere, due to the lack of political will to continue to fund this expensive effort, would result in a sudden transition of the climate to a radically warmer state. The resulting shock to the world's weather might cause dramatic changes that would be difficult to adapt to.

7) What do you do if the scheme causes serious climate problems in a country that then threatens war unless the effort is stopped?

Conclusion
As climate scientist Ray Pierrehumbert wrote in a 2007 blog on RealClimate.org, "It's not really insurance. It's more like building a lifeboat, but a lifeboat based on a design that has never been used before which has to work more or less perfectly the first time the panicked passengers are loaded into it." Pierrehumbert thought that the proposal to spend $30 million of the annual $3 billion climate change research budget was far too much money.

I'm not a big fan of geoengineering schemes. It makes far more sense to spend this kind of money of reducing carbon emissions, since the cure may be worse than the disease. Still, research into geoengineering should continue. We need to keep all of options open for the very uncertain future of our climate. When you're team's down two touchdowns late in the game, sometime you have to take risks you ordinarily would not take. But how much money should be spent on geoengineering research? If you're a wunderground member, take the wunderpoll at the right.

Jeff Masters
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1. Tazmanian 03:45 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
dr m sould this say wunderpoll at the right.
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2. tornadofan 03:51 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
No insulted intended - this sounds loopy.
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3. sullivanweather 03:53 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
One of the choices in the poll should read $0. That's the figure I would have picked.

All money going to the global warming cause should be directly funneled into developing clean energy technologies, preferrably harnessing tidal forces and coriolis currents. There's enough energy flowing through those systems to provide enough electricity for the planet many times over.
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4. franck 04:01 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
'Substantial and disruptive changes' should be the operative expression concerning the possible sulphur solution to global warming. However, after a certain number of global warming induced calamities occur, it will probably be tried. If it works man would be able heat the planet like an oven, and just throw up some sulphur clouds to counter it. Sounds great.
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5. HIEXPRESS 04:13 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Ice melts, & the water gets colder... Like in an ice cream freezer. Are we salting the poles?
Link
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6. mobal 04:25 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
I wonder how much Professor Paul Crutzen was paid to come up with this ridicules idea!
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7. weatherboyfsu 04:31 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Good morning people,

Got lucky yesterday when there was a tornado warning within a couple miles of my house. No damage but did get some video of a rotating wall cloud. Looked very threating on my way home.....I did not have my camcorder at work so i did not get the drive in which would been great footage. The darn thing was winding down when i got back into my truck to begin filming just down the street. It began moving away so it was all i could do to keep up. The lightning which was bad on my way home, almost had stop when i started filming. I will put it on here when it becomes available....Still may get in one more shot in the next couple of hours but not counting on it........ I live west of Orlando about 25 miles near a little town called Mascotte........
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8. cchsweatherman 04:33 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Hope South Florida has not yet let their guard down. Look at the weather on the way. Flooding highly likely with these storms.
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9. BigTuna 04:42 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
since the cure may be worse than the disease

That's the phrase to keep in mind. We should be working to eliminate causes of change, not to counteract them with opposite causes.
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10. Inyo 05:09 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Yeah as much as I support controlling greenhouse warming, this sulfur scheme sounds like a really bad idea. I mean, if we get really desperate it might be an option but it seems like more trouble than even converting to other fuels.
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11. oriondarkwood 05:10 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Yea I think Dude had one too many 420's if you get my drift
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12. cchsweatherman 05:21 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH in effect for Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade, Monroe, and Collier counties until 6:00PM EST. Looks like the location I'm at right now in Davie is about to experience another round.
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14. cchsweatherman 05:47 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Anyone else besides me watching this squall line moving into South Florida? Hasn't lost much strength. Been letting people around me know that severe weather is on the way. Anyone want to comment on this squall line?
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15. HIEXPRESS 05:50 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Much better idea: Keep the tropical Pacific cool (i.e. La Nina) - much more natural and effective:
As you can see, global temperatures dropped all the way to the 40th warmest on record, from the warmest last year (for January) and almost half a degree colder than the warmest decade on record.


STL, is that the egg, the chicken, or an omlette?
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16. NEwxguy 06:02 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
STL would profer your suggestion for cooling the planet over sulfur!!!!
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17. melly 06:03 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
cch...I am watching it from work very closely.I am in downtown West Palm Beach...I guess we are the only 2 people that the aquall line will effect now
18. NEwxguy 06:06 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
132 billion dollars to throw sulfur into our atmosphere,these geniuses keep coming up with wonderful ideas on how to spend my tax dollars
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19. hondaguy 06:11 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
14. cchsweatherman 11:47 AM CST on February 13, 2008
Anyone else besides me watching this squall line moving into South Florida? Hasn't lost much strength. Been letting people around me know that severe weather is on the way. Anyone want to comment on this squall line?


It doesnt look nearly as intense as the one that came through our area yesterday.

Somewhat broken up from what I can see on radar. I think ya'll will get some heavy rain, and like you said earlier flooding. Though any flooding will most likely be localized street flooding.

Arent you guys still in a drought situation?
20. 0741 06:29 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
i going be affect by it too i near miami airport it getting dark here
21. lickitysplit 06:42 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
should we pump sulfur into the stratosphere?

Good Lord. Are you kidding me?
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22. WKendallGuy 06:48 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Could the experiment be limited to the area above Professor Crutzen's house? Or say DC?

Btw, I'm in SW Miami, it's dark, raining and have had several unusual "howling wind" spells since last night.
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23. tornadofan 06:51 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Much better idea: Keep the tropical Pacific cool (i.e. La Nina) - much more natural and effective:

Sounds good. How do we do this - tunnels? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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24. cchsweatherman 06:56 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
19. hondaguy 6:11 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
14. cchsweatherman 11:47 AM CST on February 13, 2008
Anyone else besides me watching this squall line moving into South Florida? Hasn't lost much strength. Been letting people around me know that severe weather is on the way. Anyone want to comment on this squall line?

It doesnt look nearly as intense as the one that came through our area yesterday.

Somewhat broken up from what I can see on radar. I think ya'll will get some heavy rain, and like you said earlier flooding. Though any flooding will most likely be localized street flooding.

Arent you guys still in a drought situation?


Doppler Radar just indicated a Tornado over Cooper City where I live. I'm going to be making some calls to see if a tornado touched down there. I'm worried right now.

To answer your question, we are still in a deep drought here in Florida, but not so much Miami-Dade county. Lake Okeechobee has received over 6 inches of rainfall throughout the past 24 hours.
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25. NEwxguy 06:57 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
23. tornadofan 6:51 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
Much better idea: Keep the tropical Pacific cool (i.e. La Nina) - much more natural and effective:

Sounds good. How do we do this - tunnels? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Throw buckets of ice cubes into the tropical Pacific
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26. lickitysplit 07:10 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Throw buckets of ice cubes into the tropical Pacific

I'll fire up the ice maker!
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27. tornadofan 07:16 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
I'll fire up the ice maker!

Sounds more reasonable that purposely firing sulfur into the Stratosphere.
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28. hondaguy 07:22 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
cchs...Let us know something once it's all over. The whole torando thing worries me for you guys down there.

Yesterday they had nearly 4 (that the news reported) sightings of funnel clouds here in the Baton Rouge area alone. I believe 2 tornados touched down in our area too.

I've never in my life seen the sky so dark.
29. lawntonlookers 07:38 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Kind of a crazy idea to put additional sulfur in the air. I thought the World was spending money trying to reduce the sulfur input into the atmosphere.

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30. cchsweatherman 07:39 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
28. hondaguy 7:22 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
cchs...Let us know something once it's all over. The whole torando thing worries me for you guys down there.

Yesterday they had nearly 4 (that the news reported) sightings of funnel clouds here in the Baton Rouge area alone. I believe 2 tornados touched down in our area too.

I've never in my life seen the sky so dark.


Just finished making calls to people I know who are in Cooper City and they have told me that they did not see a tornado, although there is some wind damage from this line. I'll see soon enough in about two hours what occurred at my house. Hopefully, I won't have much to clean up, but I know that I will have some cleanup to come; mainly sweeping up and raking branches and leaves.
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31. cchsweatherman 08:07 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Here in South Florida, the weather has finally begun to calm as the trough has departed off the coast and the cold front makes its approach on the area. All in all, this could have been far worse than it was throughout the entire state. Now, I could use some sunshine. Lake Okeechobee got somewhere around 6" rainfall from this storm system. It needs much more, but this was a great blessing since we never usually get storms like this during February.
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33. Appalachiangypsy 08:23 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
11. oriondarkwood 5:10 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
Yea I think Dude had one too many 420's if you get my drift

I agree
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34. lickitysplit 08:26 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
I kinda like the idea of cutting down any emissions, and leaving Mother Nature alone. This old earth has taken care of itself for BILLIONS of years.

Ahhh...the voice of sanity. Thanks StormW. Lets indeed spend the money cutting emissions, creating a new, green economy and let Mother Nature heal.
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35. TEXASYANKEE43 08:30 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
32. StormW 8:22 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
I kinda like the idea of cutting down any emissions, and leaving Mother Nature alone. This old earth has taken care of itself for BILLIONS of years.




Well said Storm! I agree fully. Don't mess with Mother Nature!
36. moonlightcowboy 08:39 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Hhhmmm, I think we've got some scientists
who've been smoking crack, or something
stronger even!

Are you kidding? Mother Nature corrects itself,
or the sun will blow up and that'll be it! The
IPCC has no proven data to support their
conclusions anyway as surface temperatures are
biased and non-scientific.

Geoengineering is a joke! Like many other
things, we need to throw more money down the
crapper because it's just the way we are and
how our system works(or doesn't)!

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37. NEwxguy 08:42 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Hey,Storm,if only we could get our presidential candidates to make that much sense.You better be careful people are leery of people who talk common sense.
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38. Michfan 08:48 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
I think mother nature can handle it just fine. Lets just fix what we are doing wrong instead of applying a band aid. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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39. FLWeatherFreak91 08:55 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
That would just smell soooo bad.
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41. taistelutipu 09:30 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Sulphur in the atmosphere? That must be a bad joke... Just wait for natural regulations of too warm years such as La Nina or an volcanic eruption, Mother Nature does that all by herself. If sulphure were blown up into the atmosphere and just a couple of months later a major eruption occured, it might be too much and we end up having another ice age.

Thanks MichaelSTL for posting the anomaly graphics of past years in comparison with this year. What strikes me most is the drastic drop in average temperatures in Central Asia (-8°F) compared to the more than 11°F over average in Siberia and North Europe.These areas just remain outside the current cooling trend. Seems like everybody is getting a decent winter except the Europeans and the Russians. *lol*

As I posted in one of the previous blog entries (right before the Doc posted another entry so probably noone read it), the Baltic Sea has currently the smallest areal ice cover in recorded history (over 300 years). This blog in English sums it up quite nicely. Normally about 45 % of the entire Baltic Sea are frozen in winter, in severe winters up to 96 % (record-breaking ice cover in 1987 when it went down to South Sweden and Germany).
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42. clwstmchasr 09:39 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
What a bust here in Northern Pinallas County. Only .3in of rain. I was hoping for a good 1-3 total out of this one.
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43. lickitysplit 10:26 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
I'd vote for you, StormW.
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44. Natgas 10:35 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
40. StormW 9:04 PM GMT on February 13, 2008
I hear ya! Maybe I should run...probably wouldn't get elected though.



Storm, You are a smart man so you would not fit in. Besides why would you put yourself and family through that mess?
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45. bdoucet 10:40 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Hey Doc,
did you see were Shell Oil will be outfitting 7 of their rigs with equipment to measure weather data and wave data. Heard it today in the news.
46. ShenValleyFlyFish 10:58 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
The level of human hubris knows no bounds.
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47. NorthxCakalaky 11:45 PM GMT на 13 Февруари, 2008    
Unpredicted snow over the northern foothills of North Carolina.It was just suspose to be flurries over the western slopes of the Blue Ridge,"Above 3500f.t".

49. weatherbro 12:29 AM GMT на 14 Февруари, 2008    
We in Orlando only got a quarter of an inch of rain.
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50. GeoffreyWPB 12:32 AM GMT на 14 Февруари, 2008    
More than 6 inches locally in Lake Worth / Palm Springs, Fl. area.
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51. weathermanwannabe 12:46 AM GMT на 14 Февруари, 2008    
Dr. M:

Agree with most of the folks on this launching large quatities of sulfur into the Stratospere as a really bad idea right now (sorry Mr. Nobel).......Let's wait a few more decades to see what Mother Nature has in store (and if things truly worsen)......Given all of the recent, and sometimes locally catastropic, natural events around the world (floods/earthquakes/tsunamis/tropical storms/drought) in recent years, I would not count out some type of massive volcanic eruption somewhere on the planet in the next several years which would "naturally" take care of the problem without having to spend billions..........
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