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96L weakens; political storm at NHC
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:13 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007 +2
A tropical wave in the mid-Atlantic, near 10N 43W, has lost most of its heavy thunderstorm activity, but could still make a comeback and become a tropical depression by Friday. This system has been labeled "96L" by the NHC. The wave has a small closed circulation, as seen on both visible satellite loops and last night's 4:57pm EDT QuikSCAT pass. Winds from QuikSCAT were as high as 25 mph. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed the storm. Wind shear is about 10 knots, and is forecast to fluctuate between 5 and 15 knots in the region over the next two days. By Friday, as the system approaches the Lesser Antilles Islands, the GFS model is predicting that wind shear will rise to 20-30 knots, which should tear the system apart. Dry air to the north is limiting the thunderstorm activity of 96L. The Saharan Air Layer (SAL) lies just 50 miles north of the storm's center of circulation, as seen in water vapor satellite loops. None of the reliable computer models develop the system into a tropical depression. Climatologically, formation of a tropical depression in this region of the Atlantic this time of year is quite rare, and I don't think 96L will develop.

In the Pacific, we broke a long spell of over a month without a tropical cyclone, with the formation of Tropical Storm 03W. The cyclone is expected to hit southern China as a weak tropical storm Friday.


Figure 1. Computer model forecast tracks for 96L.

Storm at NHC
Those of you who follow Margie Kieper's View From the Surface blog know that a major political battle is occurring at NHC. Last night, the Miami Herald broke the story that several senior Hurricane Specialists at NHC are now openly calling for NHC chief Bill Proenza's ouster. Margie and I have been quietly gathering information on this brewing story over the past few months, but have not posted anything due to the sensitive nature of the matter. Now that the story has been broken, we can tell you what we know. I will lay out the full details in my next blog, which I plan to post by 1pm EDT today.

Jeff Masters
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151. ryang 03:17 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1130 AM EDT WED JUL 4 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A WELL-DEFINED LOW PRESSURE AREA OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC OCEAN IS
LOCATED ABOUT 1200 MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS
MOVING WESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH. ASSOCIATED SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY REMAINS LIMITED THIS MORNING. HOWEVER...THIS SYSTEM STILL
HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO BEFORE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR
DEVELOPMENT.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

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152. Drakoen 03:18 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 3:17 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

totally agree Adrian

RIP 96L

for now, could make a comeback later on, if that circulation can stay intact


i agree.
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154. hurricane23 03:18 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
ABNT20 KNHC 041509
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1130 AM EDT WED JUL 4 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A WELL-DEFINED LOW PRESSURE AREA OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC OCEAN IS
LOCATED ABOUT 1200 MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS
MOVING WESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH. ASSOCIATED SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY REMAINS LIMITED THIS MORNING. HOWEVER...THIS SYSTEM STILL
HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO BEFORE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS BECOME LESS FAVORABLE FOR
DEVELOPMENT.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE


Just a warm up before the real season starts.

Enjoy you 4th today.
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155. eye 03:20 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
the air around the system and ahead isnt all the dry, to the N yeah, but it isnt heading to the N now is it? Yes, there is some dry air in the Carribean, but who knows if that will be the case when this slow moving wave/invest gets there. People have been calling it dead for 3 days now, and it is still around.
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156. ryang 03:21 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: Drakoen at 11:09 AM AST on July 04, 2007.

Thats a tropical wave.

Yes!!

...TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 18N53W 4N53W MOVING W 15 KT. NO AREAS OF
DEEP CONVECTIVE PRECIPITATION ACCOMPANY THE WAVE AT THIS TIME.

Link
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158. eye 03:22 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
hmmmm, NHC is ususally the conservative ones, not this blog! lol
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159. eye 03:24 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
it isnt as dry as it is to the N, there are sections in the Carribean that are dry as it is far to the N of the system...but right around the system, it isnt bone dry....at least not yet...if it was, there would be 0 convection....although it is limited, there is still convection.
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160. Drakoen 03:25 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
96L playing mind games for now. To me 96L did the same thing yesterday with the exposed lol to the north of the convection, then the convection caught up. Who knows...
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162. Chicklit 03:30 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    

Hey Boys and Girls...What's going on in the Gulf?
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163. TheCaneWhisperer 03:32 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
164. Chicklit 03:33 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
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165. spiceymonster 03:33 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: TheCaneWhisperer at 3:32 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

You can very CLEARLY see the COC on that picture
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166. Drakoen 03:34 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: Chicklit at 3:30 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.


Hey Boys and Girls...What's going on in the Gulf?


mositure from the Gulf caused by a 1010mb low over land near Corpus Christi.
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167. ryang 03:35 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Good point Cane...
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169. Chicklit 03:36 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
It's been raining here in East Central Florida all morning long...
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170. AllyBama 03:38 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Happy 4th everyone...how are the tropics today?

JP!!!!!!
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172. Drakoen 03:39 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
96L shoudl be going through or is about to go through its dinural min phase. So this kind of organization is expected with it as of now.
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173. TheCaneWhisperer 03:40 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Now just toss in some T-Storms and you'll have something to talk about. Very impressive circulation though. Good to study, if it is able to re-generate from ground zero.
174. eye 03:40 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
so, maybe it isnt dead afterall?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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176. Drakoen 03:42 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: eye at 3:40 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

so, maybe it isnt dead afterall?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


its not dead untill its declared dead by the NHC.
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177. TheCaneWhisperer 03:43 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Very tough road today EYE. I wouldn't throw in the towel quite yet. The expanding wind field has just been taking place in the last couple frames.
178. Drakoen 03:43 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 3:41 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

its possible eye

circulation is impressive, it could easily hold form until it comes upon better conditions, I just feel it wont get those conditions unless it gets to the western caribbean


yea JP thats what i feel. Maybe somewhere liek the Bahamas or the Gulf. where there is more moisture in the upper levels for it to feed of.
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179. Drakoen 03:45 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
thecanewhisper, i guess this is what the NHC is looking at the expanding wind field. So its still possible.
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180. eye 03:45 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
I think if it runs into shear(at first the forcast was for none, now it is for some) it will be a gonner.....IF the shear forcast verifies, I dont see how such a small circulation can make it past it intact(where the better conditions would be waiting). It is like this tiny circulation has a couple more hurdles before those good conditions will exist.
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181. TheCaneWhisperer 03:46 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
A look at the AVN says 96 is trying to fill in the expansion with moisture, hummmm.
183. TheCaneWhisperer 03:47 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
I dunno though, expanding field means more to keep filled with moisture.
184. Chicklit 03:48 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1053 AM EDT WED JUL 4 2007
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA.
.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.
...THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
A WEAK LOW PRESSURE AREA OVER THE CENTRAL FLORIDA PENINSULA...DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE GATHERING SOUTH OF A STATIONARY FRONTAL BOUNDARY ACROSS VOLUSIA COUNTY AND DAYTIME HEATING WILL LEAD TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS THIS AFTERNOON.
STEERING FLOW AROUND A MID LEVEL LOW WILL ALLOW SHOWERS AND STORMS TO MOVE INLAND NORTH OF ORLANDO AND TOWARD THE EAST COAST ACROSS OKEECHOBEE AND MARTIN COUNTIES. SOUTH OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY...
SLOW STORM MOTION WILL ALLOW FOR LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OVER TWO INCHES. THE STRONGER STORMS WILL ALSO BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING FREQUENT CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING STRIKES. THE PEAK TIME FOR LIGHTNING STORM DEVELOPMENT WILL BE FROM MID AFTERNOON INTO THE EARLY EVENING. THOSE WITH OUTDOOR PLANS SHOULD KEEP AN EYE TO THE SKY AND MOVE INDOORS IF THUNDER IS HEARD.

...FLOOD IMPACT...
WEAK STEERING LEVEL WINDS ALOFT WILL RESULT IN SLOW MOVING SHOWERS AND LIGHTNING STORMS ACROSS MUCH OF EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA THIS AFTERNOON. STORM MOTION IS EXPECTED TO BE 10 MPH OR LESS...WHICH WILL ALLOW THE STRONGER STORMS TO DROP LOCALIZED HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS. THIS COULD CAUSE LOW LYING AND POOR DRAINAGE AREAS TO FLOOD. AREAS THAT RECEIVED HEAVY RAINFALL IN THE PAST FEW DAYS...WILL BE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO LOCAL FLOODING. DRIVERS ARE URGED NOT TO DRIVE ACROSS FLOODED ROADS.

...RIP CURRENT IMPACT...
THE COMBINATION OF AN INCREASING EASTERLY FLOW AND A PERSISTENT EASTERLY SWELL WILL GENERATE A MODERATE THREAT FOR RIP CURRENTS ALONG AREA BEACHES TODAY. THE THREAT WILL BE GREATEST DURING THE OUTGOING TIDE... WHICH WILL OCCUR BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11 AM THIS MORNING AND 530 PM THIS AFTERNOON.

...MARINE THUNDERSTORM GUST IMPACT...
NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND SCATTERED LIGHTNING STORMS WILL OCCUR OVER THE ATLANTIC COASTAL WATERS OF EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA TODAY. SOME OF THESE STORMS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE STRONG WINDS GUSTS IN EXCESS OF 34 KNOTS. IN ADDITION TO THE GUSTY WINDS...
CLOUD TO WATER LIGHTNING STRIKES AND LOCALLY HIGH SEAS CAN BE EXPECTED AS STORMS PASS.

...WATERSPOUT IMPACT...
DEEP MOISTURE AND LIGHT STEERING WINDS WILL ALLOW FOR A VERY LOW THREAT OF WATERSPOUTS ACROSS THE ATLANTIC WATERS TODAY.

...WIND AND SEA IMPACT...
STEADY EASTERLY WINDS NORTH OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH HAVE GENERATED LOCALLY HIGH SEAS ACROSS THE OFFSHORE WATERS. WHILE THE HIGHEST SEAS WILL REMAIN OFFSHORE...SOME EASTERLY SWELLS WILL WORK THEIR TOWARD THE VOLUSIA COUNTY BEACHES. A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY HAS BEEN POSTED NORTH OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH BEYOND 20 NAUTICAL MILES FROM SHORE FOR SEAS OF 5 TO 7 FEET. SMALL CRAFT OPERATORS SHOULD ALSO EXERCISE
CAUTION FROM NEW SMYRNA BEACH TO COCOA BEACH...ESPECIALLY OFFSHORE WHERE SEAS OF 4 TO 6 FEET ARE EXPECTED.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.
HIGH MOISTURE WILL LINGER ACROSS EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA INTO THE WEEKEND AND WILL RESULT IN A HIGHER THAN NORMAL CHANCE FOR LIGHTNING STORMS AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN EACH AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...
SPOTTERS ARE REQUESTED TO MONITOR THE WEATHER AND SELF ACTIVATE IF NEEDED. RAINFALL SPOTTERS SHOULD REPORT HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OR OBSERVED FLOODING.

$$

VOLKMER






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186. Drakoen 03:48 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
compare this

with this:

Model guidance suggest it will only get into the eastern most portions of the Caribbean. The BAM models that do well with weaker systems show this.
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187. WeatherfanPR 03:48 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
96L,very nice coc and sw quadrant thunderstorms for an invest!!!
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189. Drakoen 03:51 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
if you look at the lower level moisture you can see that moisture is filling in along with the wind field.
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190. sporteguy03 03:51 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
JP,
I just hope the NHC can work together with Mr.Proenza this is no time for fighting, you are a team not enemies.
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191. Drakoen 03:52 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
lol i don't know all the models too well.
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193. hurricane23 03:53 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
The center has been decoupled which amounts to 0 chances for intensification.

There's a reason why tropical systems are rare this far out at this time of the year.

Hope eveyone has a great and safe 4th of july.Adrian

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195. Drakoen 03:54 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
i don't know why they hate Bill. Hes doing his job hes trying to get us a Quicksat. I mean am i mssing something here? Just because he wants to address the issues at hand that everyone doesn't are spiting.
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197. hurricane23 03:57 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    


To be honest Proenza is on his last string with the inner core of NHC now againest him.I dont think he will last there through the end of the season.Adrian
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198. moonlightcowboy 03:59 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Morning, all! Happy 4th!!!

It's gonna be tough for 96 to hold on. Dry air now rolling in from the south now, the only side its been able to keep consistent convection. But, the dry air to its north seems to be lifting somewhat northwards. If it has a chance at all, it's gonna have to be between 45w and 50w. Still possible, but lower probability.
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199. Altestic87 04:00 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Adrian is always quite the conservative one.
200. eye 04:00 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
I expect he will soon retire and that NOAA will put in a "yes person"
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201. nash28 04:02 PM GMT на 04 Јули, 2007    
Well, I see we are in "will it live/will it not live" mode today....

Hey, at least it is something to watch.
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